Threading that needle is not going to be the easiest thing on earth, then he will try to generate crowds, to go to the outside of these courthouses and put pressure on jurors and others, and create even a situation of pre-civil war in order to keep himself out of jail. that is so far beyond nixon that let's put trump in his own category. >> we only have a minute left, but no matter what the polls say, has there ever been a president who engendered this particular kind of loyalty with his base against all odds, the kind that donald trump has? >> not in this way, and i think the best way to say ...