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Committee would like to speak with her. what value do you hope to get from that? the connection to eastman is obvious, but given the fact that there's really not much to give, her husband's role, what is the value, you think could come from that testimony? >> good to see you again, joy. i think it's just the fact that both the chair and the vice chair have indicated that they would reach out to ginni thomas. just like they've indicated that we'd reach out to hundreds of other individuals who we have had interviews with. our threshold test is always going to be, does someone offer evidence and ...

The conservatives. it's not a ruling actually upholding obamacare. it's a ruling rejecting the challenge. the challenge brought by 18 red states. they had argued the individual mandate, the requirement all americans buy health insurance or pay a penalty was unconstitutional. the supreme court answered that in the first challenge saying, well, because there's a tax penalty, that means it's illegitimate use of congress' taxing authority. the republicans said, we will solve that. we will set the tax penalty as zero. therefore, they said, you can't save the tax -- you say it's a use of the taxing ...

Your income tax. later a republican congress took away the penalty and the state sued well, it's just the mandate and that's unconstitutional and the court said without a penalty the mandate doesn't require you to do anything. so you can't show you were harmed by it and it rejected the challenge on the basis that they didn't have the proper legal standing and they didn't survive the threshold test to show that they had some particular injury caused by this law, but in ruling this way, it makes it pretty hard for anybody else to come along and make a similar challenge, if there's nothing left o...

The capital next year. we see that every day. >> it's extraordinary. republicans don't want anything to do with him. they don't any association with his brand of politics. he's been incredibly alleged to have molested underaged girls. this should be a gimme seat for democrats. it's alabama, deep red. one republican operative put it to me about a month and a half ago ha their key threshold test is to not nominate a child mowester. and now you have roy moore jumping in this case again. they're going to do everything they can to defeat him. >> d.c. people don't want roy moore in the race, as we'v...

Federalist society has come up with this list, i think it has to be somebody -- i don't know who it will be but it has to be somebody off these lists and it has to be somebody that there is the first threshold test. susan collins and lisa me koskie. first thing mcconnell has to do is get this nominee to all republicans minus one are on board. once you get to that point you will probably pick up four or five democrats. i think it is quite likely you see the nominee get through with 55, 56 votes because, just as you guys were talking about before, the pressure on red state democrats is enormous ...