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Partisan and smear robert mueller and throw mud over the investigation. and if you look at the polling and town hall and what republican voters in realtime lines that giuliani and trump are saying you cannot as an objective observer say this is effective. >> you mentioned polling. walk us through the headlines of the latest poll. >> we have, it's an amazing graphic, which, in axios am this morning which shows political polarization in terms of presidents since 1953, since eisenhower. and you just see this, it's just incredible the way it drifts apart and now we're at a situation where, i mean,...

Early? >> i love it. actually, it is 10:00 in my world. >> let's talk about the trump/mueller investigation. he seems to be ramping up his attacks against mueller, using words like illegal scam, obviously he has used witch-hunt for some time. is this a sign you think the president is beginning to get nervous about the mueller investigation or how do you explain the sudden escalation in language? >> beginning to get nervous? of course he's nervous. he's furious. he doesn't know, like all of us, what is happening behind the closed doors of that investigation, and that is driving him crazy. but w...

Past the midterm elections. >> right. >> and then deal with it. but isn't there a downside? >> sure. i mean, there are downsides everywhere, and i agree with matt that rudy giuliani has done exactly what he was -- he's being paid to do, which is of fus ka -- obfuscate, throw mud at robert mueller. it's disconcerting to see somebody who was himself a prosecutor, who was once a u.s. attorney, play this role and kind of undermining the rule of law, but he's doing what he's paid to do. and for the most part, he's done it decently. i mean, it's horrifying, but it's worked. polls show the public is ...

>> well, the memorandum, anderson, i will tell you, harkens me back to benghazi where there was an effort to come up with all of these conspiracy theories about how there had been a stand-down order and how people had deliberately acted poorly. that's what this is. this is the latest installment in chairman nunes' sort of one-man operation to try to damage, throw mud on the fbi and doj all in service of calling into question bob mueller's investigation and of course, trying to provide some, any substantiation to the crazy charge the obama administration was wiretapping the trump campaign. >> w...

They work too hard, but they all write the same story and compete to write the same story. >> why are you shifting attention if you're for hillary from where she's winning to there are still questions? >> i don't think there are. there's 30,000 of these things -- nobody knows what's in them? >> everybody knows what's in them. nothing. >> how do we know? >> name one thing -- they've already released about 12,000 of them. name one that is even remotely incriminating? not one. not one. >> there's a couple that can be argued -- >> after the fact. here's the deal. you can't trust the republican to ...