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Too liberal. that's where this debate and congress right now has gone. people thinking paul ryan is too much of a squish. >> well, you know, the challenge in our party is not so much that people have differing views on issues as much as people have differing views about how to get those issues implemented. there are some in our party who think the best approach is throwing bombs. the problem with bomb-throwing, most of the bombs have landed on our own team. that doesn't help. others think the best approach is to see if we can't find common ground with the people across the aisle. that's been t...

Into battle you are just fighting skirmishes. nobody fights like we fight. they are really good fighting in their area of operations. and maybe their village. once they step out of that area throwing bombs down a range does nothing. it looks like success maybe for the iraqis but to me it just looks like another band-aid in a bad foreign policy or bad war plan. >> great to have you both here. thank you. we will be right back.

Matter of a few yards apart. i mean the cops and the brothers were a few yards apart, shooting and hurling bombs at each other. let's start with the moments of terror mel. what are the key moments that the jury will take away from this? the fact that dzokhar tsarnaev was throwing bombs at the cops? the fact that he was behind the wheel trying to run down cops and perhaps even his brother? >> you know john it's an excellent question good morning to both of you guys. let's take a step back. because this could go either way. again, you've got a case where we're gearing up for the death penalty ar...

Stick to their principles. that's always going to exist. the question will be whether or not people who have come here for 2 1/2 years since the class of 2010 tea party wave came in get more comfortable as legislators and maybe realize that throwing bombs is okay sometimes but it's also if you want to get things done sometimes you have to as one congressman said to me, go a couple of downs and not just throw it into the end zone in the game. >> and ted cruz continues on. as you said, he says i'm not taking the shutdown off the table. >> reporter: anderson, i have heard so many stories about hi...

And tea party-backed candidates the mistake was not being tough enough. the mistake was that some republicans were wishy washy and didn't stand with us. we weren't united. >> absolutely. that is going to continue to be that message. there's a reason for that. there is a reason constituency out there for that kind of idea, the idea that you have to come here and stick to principle. and the reason why the debt is so high, the deficit is ballooned to astronomical numbers is because people came here and became part of the establishment and they didn't stick to their principles. so that's always go...