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Espionage and interfering in an election? >> yes. espionage implies, to me at least, passive collection, and this was much more activist. >> okay, so when it comes to espionage we better be careful about throwing rocks. when it comes to interfering in our election, we better be ready to throw rocks, do you agree with that? >> that's a good metaphor. >> i think what obama did was throw a pebble. i'm ready to throw a rock. what i be justified as a united states senator taking your information about russia's involvement in our election and what they are doing throughout the world and being more a...

Election? >> yes. espionage implies, to me at least, a passive collection. and this was much more activist. >> so when it comes to espionage, we better be careful about throwing rocks. when it comes to interfering in our election, we better be ready to throw rocks. do you agree with that? >> that's a good metaphor. >> i think what obama did was throw a pebble. i'm ready to throw a rock. would i be justified as a united states senator taking your information about russia's involvement in our election and what they're doing throughout the world and be more aggressive than president obama if i ch...

>> thank you. more on the spy games as the director of national intelligence warns retaliation might not be in order. >> people live in glass houses need to think about throwing rocks. because this was an act of espionage. and you know, we and other nations conduct similar acts of espionage. >> very curious. we'll talk to former congressman jean harmon. and a cyber security expert about the u.s. response to russia's interference. also, what appears to be the brutal beating of a young man with mental health challenges broadcast live on facebook. four people facing charges this hour. we will...

Conduct espionage. >> isn't that answer just part of the problem, that we're showing that we're not going to make it costly for them to come in and steal the files of 22 million americans including many intel officers? >> well, as i say, people live in glass houses need to think about throwing rocks. this was an act of espionage. you know, we and other nations conduct similar acts of espionage. if we're going to punish each other for acts of he espionage, that's a different policy issue. >> senator king. >> thank you, mr. chairman. your opening statements are always erudite and thoughtful. but...

>> but isn't that answer just part of the problem, that we are showing that we are not going to make it costly for them to come in and steal the files of 22 million americans, including many intel officers? >> well, as i say, people who live in glass houses need to think about throwing rocks. because this was an act of espionage, and, you know, we and other nations conduct similar acts of espionage. so if we are going to punish each other for acts of espionage, that is a different policy issue. >> senator king. >> thank you, mr. chairman. your opening statements are also are always erudite and...