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to the effect of i'm the f'ing president, take me up to the capitol now to which bobby responded, sir, we have to go back to the west wing. the president reached up towards the front of the vehicle to grab at the steering wheel. mr. engle grabbed his arm, said, "sir, you need to take your hand off the steering wheel. we're going back to the west wing. we're not going to the capitol." mr. trump then used his freehand to lunge towards bobby angle. and when he recounted the story to me he mentioned towards his clavicles. >> and was mr. angle in the room as mr. ornato told new story. >> ...

Context. this isn't the first tile information from the secret service has gone missing on the 6th. the president's daily diary for that did i has caisson-hour gap. the secret service is one of the principal entities that feeds the diarist that keeps the presidential record for that day. apparently the secret service couldn't supply information about that day. so there's seven hours missing there, too. we've never had a good explanation of that. so this is a pattern. and it's troubling. >> thanks, everyone. obviously there's more to be reported on this. the former president seems to be looking...

President, and the former vice president, and so all of these things are questions that the committee has, that they want answers to. when you don't have all the information it makes it that much harder to paint the entire picture that they want to paint for the american people. >> yeah. ryan nobles, really appreciate your reporting. joining us now cnn national security analyst julia chaim, former assistant which oversees the service, and jonathan, a former secret service agent. jonathan, i've got to start with you. first of all on the text messages, again, i guess ryan nobles says we haven't....

That they didn't have the ability to quick respond. but i have a lot of questions for both dhs, the inspector general, and the secret service. first, the inspector general stated that many text messages were erased as part of this technology upgrade. i want the word "many" quantified, because what i'm hearing from sources at the secret service was that the request for information and text messages from 20 key agents that were involved unjanuary 6th were received by dhs inspector general. so i want to actually know, you know, is missing text messages a material -- part of a material fact in the...

Investigative organization. so there are many, many questions that need to be answered here. i agree with jonathan that there's a lot more that we don't know here. there may be some nonnefarious answers, but there's a lot of information we need. >> julia, the idea that messages are deleted as part of what's called a device replacement program after they were sought by officials, if that is, in fact, the case, does that make sense to you? >> no. i mean, i think -- it doesn't sound credible. so if there is a credible explanation, the secret service needs to provide it. the normal upgrade that th...