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Stuck my finger in his chest and said, you're not hearing me, i'm not leaving. i said, i'm not giving those people the sight of a 16-car motorcade speeding away from the capitol. and at that point he looked at me and said, "well, you can't stay here. that's a glass door. we can't protect you here." and at that point, tim gables said, "we can take you to the loading dock, that's secure." >> we have all seen that image of you coming out of the office, going down the stairs. in that moment, what could you hear? and how close were the rioters? >> well, we could hear the sound of footfall and chant...

>> why wouldn't you get in the car? >> well, i looked at -- he said, "we're not leaving." and i said -- i said, "tim, you're a man of integrity. but you're not driving that car." and i -- i just assumed that if we got in the car and closed those 200-pound doors that -- not my team in the loading dock -- but that somebody maybe back at secret service headquarters would simply give the driver an order to go. >> and you were concerned that if you left the capitol, you might be prevented from getting back to certify that vote. >> i -- it-- i think that was it, david. i just didn't want those riote...

That the secret, the lead secret service agent on the vice president's detail? >> what's very clear, the whole situation is potentially violent. remember, there were hang mike pence signs around there. where there were 1,000 people storming the capitol, and as we now know, pence was literally one step or 100 feet away from being captured or something by these insurrectionists. so i think the point to make is donald trump as president knows this is going on in many, many forms and he never should have allowed this to happen, even if he's in combat with pence as he was on this. i remember in one...

Rushing pence out of the chamber and that was shown during the trial, and this revealed untold aspects of that day and the secret service wanted the former vice president to leave the capitol. he refused. what do you know about the conversation between pence and his secret service detail? >> so vice president pence and his family were extremely lucky that the secret service detail leader, tim gables quickly ran on to the senate floor, evacuated pence as soon as there was an alert that people had breached the building and the rioter his gotten through a window and were storming toward a senate ...