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Here. that, of course, was the noose hanging outside the capitol that day. and rioters were calling for your execution, chanting, hang mike pence. almost two years later, is it still tough to -- there's some of the video of hang mike pence. is it still tough to see that and hear that? >> jake, it saddens me. that that day it angered me. i must tell you, when -- when the secret service took us down to the loading dock, accompanied by my wife and my daughter charlotte and our secret service detail, i was determined to stay at my post. i told the secret service that i was not leaving the capitol....

Mike pence." almost two years later, is it still tough to see that and hear that? >> jake, it saddens me but that day it angered me. i must tell you when the secret service took us down to the loading dock accompanied by my wife and my daughter charlotte and our secret service detail, i was determined to stay at my post. i told the secret service that i was not leaving the capitol. i didn't want to give those people the sight of a 16-car motorcade speeding away from the capitol that day. but, frankly, when i saw those images and when i read a tweet that president trump issued, saying that i la...

I >> jake, it saddens me. but that day, it angered me. i must tell you, when the secret service took us down to the loading dock, accompanied by my wife, and my daughter charlotte, and our secret service detail, i was determined to stay at my post. i told the secret service that i was not leaving the capital. i didn't want to give those people the site of a 16 car motorcade speeding away from the capitol that day. but frankly, when i saw those images, and when i read a tweet that president trump issued saying that i lacked courage in that moment, it angered me greatly. but to be honest with yo...

Stuck my finger in his chest and said, you're not hearing me, i'm not leaving. i said, i'm not giving those people the sight of a 16-car motorcade speeding away from the capitol. and at that point he looked at me and said, "well, you can't stay here. that's a glass door. we can't protect you here." and at that point, tim gables said, "we can take you to the loading dock, that's secure." >> we have all seen that image of you coming out of the office, going down the stairs. in that moment, what could you hear? and how close were the rioters? >> well, we could hear the sound of footfall and chant...

>> why wouldn't you get in the car? >> well, i looked at -- he said, "we're not leaving." and i said -- i said, "tim, you're a man of integrity. but you're not driving that car." and i -- i just assumed that if we got in the car and closed those 200-pound doors that -- not my team in the loading dock -- but that somebody maybe back at secret service headquarters would simply give the driver an order to go. >> and you were concerned that if you left the capitol, you might be prevented from getting back to certify that vote. >> i -- it-- i think that was it, david. i just didn't want those riote...