i >> jake, it saddens me. but that day, it angered me. i must tell you, when the secret service took us down to the loading dock, accompanied by my wife, and my daughter charlotte, and our secret service detail, i was determined to stay at my post. i told the secret service that i was not leaving the capital. i didn't want to give those people the site of a 16 car motorcade speeding away from the capitol that day. but frankly, when i saw those images, and when i read a tweet that president trump issued saying that i lacked courage in that moment, it angered me greatly. but to be honest with you, i didn't have time for it. the president had decided in that moment to be a part of the problem. >> erica, i am wondering what your takeaways of mike pence -- it is interesting, him describing that from a distance, without any emotion, or feeling