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They're getting very little out of this tax bill. >> tim and nathan are back with me. it seems as though there is a lot of affirmation of what the president was saying, you listen to ann, it's incon grgruent messaging. the president has been saying for small businesses for the forgotten people of this land, this is exactly who he's thinking about when proposing these tax cut plans. >> well, and fred, i think that the president has laid out a challenge today and we'll see if the democrats can meet that challenge. i mean, after all, there's some very interesting -- where we heard very important ...

That's a debate that is based on fact, americans know what they spend. what their premiums are. it's healthy for the country. it's the basis for democracy, if the president wants to debate that americans are better off now because they got a one time $1,000 bonus and their premiums are skyrocketing, i'm sure others will disagree. >> nathan, the labor secretary seemed to intimate there were upcoming health care plans, is that the next frontier. >> tim nailed it on the head in 2er78s of the fight and argument and discussion we're going to see over the next six months, republicans want to talk ab...

Represent the president and many have said no. one thing we know, he is a very difficult person, a very difficult client. everything we see, we doesn't listen to the counsel he's been given. we know that his legal team has taken issue with some of that. certainly some of his tweets. and especially for people in washington, d.c. who like to stay behind the scenes and negotiate, especially what some have been doing for the president, with this potential meeting with the special counsel, where they want to question him. so it's very difficult really for new lawyers to come in at this point, but c...

Day that playboy pinup karen mcdougal tells cnn that trump tried to pay her after sex during their affair. and then friday, trump threatened to veto the omnibus spending bill because of daca and his border wall, but ended up signing it anyway. and then, today, we find out that digenova is not going to be part of the legal team. whoo. that's a lot. all right. so, tim, you know, it has been a very complicated week. i'm sure the white house wants to be optimistic that this will not be a complicated week upcoming, but you know, they have to recover. how does it? >> how -- well, one of the ways the...

About nothing. >> have you talked with general kelly about his stance on the issue? >> no, because i don't think that's the issue. working in the west wing and reading about it in the newspaper and on television couldn't be different. the place is very is quiet, so saul the media hype about all the disarray is just that. >> tim, do you believe that, that they're not really having those kinds of discussions? at least in the case of mulvaney, he says, look, i already have two jobs, so nobody has talked to me about another job to replace the chief of staff. there would have to be some complicatio...