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And dealing with the dry brush and tree limbs and what's on the ground, from your experience is this an issue with forest management or is the climate change and as you mentioned the drought and the high winds, is it because you just haven't had a lot of rain for so long and this stuff is like kindling? >> well, when we are talking about southern california it's not a forest management issue because we are really this is not a forested area. the comments with the president was -- was giving out last week with regard to forest management were really pursuant to forested areas, we are talking ab...