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There is still gross disparities, still gross disparities in the economic situation, the racial climate is quiet, but still people have not come together as the rainbow nation that nelson mandala once called for. but there's no real racial antagonism that's overt. so all of that accrues to his leadership. and his moral authority. andrea? >> charlene, you've interviewed him many times. there is a wisdom, a peacefulness about him. in the few times when i've met him. what is the special quality that mandala has? from the time that he grew up in the royal household with his godfather i suppose you...

Not. obviously we don't think that they can actually deliver a weapon to the u.s. at this point in time. but the fact is that this destabilizes the region. it causes our allies to be concerned. we need to focus on this in a very, very different way. again, a country that has tremendous economic issues. this is the way they hold on to power is through these threats. and having outside enemies that they focus on in this way and we've got to figure out a way to have a better foreign policy approach to north korea and get them denuclearized. otherwise this is just going to continue as they increas...

Thanks for joining me. you're still in the white house, p ut that hat on and you're in the situation room. and you're analyzing the latest intelligence. you're trying to figure out is this guy for real. and there's so little known about him. >> sure, sure. it is a big challenge and to be sure, the administration and all the relevant agencies are digging in as to what exactly is going on. but a couple basic principles are clear. one is, this administration and this country's commitment to the region and in particular to our allies, yes as richard pointed out, there's a new president in south ko...