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Took that chance for absolutely no reason. >> yeah. in my experience, lawrence, i was a prosecutor for a long time, people tend to lie for one of two reasons. number one, protect yourself. number two, protect someone else. max's point about, you know, and i know he's just musing here, whether or not mr. flynn is a compulsive liar, that doesn't make sense to me. my guess in the end is reason number one or two. self or others. that's why people lie. >> but what -- chuck, just to stay on that, you're sitting across from fbi agents. you know that the chance you're taking now could put you in priso...

Number one, protect yourself. number two, protect someone else. max's point about, you know, and i know he's just musing here, whether or not mr. flynn is a compulsive liar, that doesn't make sense to me. my guess in the end is reason number one or two. self or others. that's why people lie. >> but what -- chuck, just to stay on that, you're sitting across from fbi agents. you know that the chance you're taking now could put you in prison. that's the big reason people don't lie to the fbi. at that point, they decide whatever i'm trying to protect it isn't worth it. >> logical and rational, law...