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And he argues it would only make the situation worse. joining me now, time international editor, i think these the best what you do in presenting these dueling opinions. so often people fall in line. >> there has been a lot of talk over several months now about what needs to be done in syria. it can get a little confusing. to be able to put those two ideas clear as it can be from presenting both the best case and the worst-case scenario. >> he said the struggle is between forces funded and armed by outside sponsors. notably, saudi arabia, qatar and iran. also participating are foreign religiou...

Richard wolf and time international editor jim frederick. jim, what is the new calculus? >> it goes back to the fact that before the arab spring you had dictators who might be bad guys but they had hold on their countries. what we're looking at is these democracies have flowered but they don't have good control, security apparatus, things are changing all the time. even obama said today he doesn't know whether he considers egypt an ally or an enemy. so now you have a much more chaotic environment where you really don't know where the attacks are coming from and the local security apparatus can...

Richard wolf and time international editor jim frederick. jim, what is the new calculus? >> it goes back to the fact that before the arab spring you had dictators who might be bad guys but they had hold on their countries. what we're looking at is these democracies have flowered but they don't have good control, security apparatus, things are changing all the time. even obama said today he doesn't know whether he considers egypt an ally or an enemy. so now you have a much more chaotic environment where you really don't know where the attacks are coming from and the local security apparatus can...