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Maintain the facade that maybe the relationship didn't happen. look. being honest and maintaining that nonpolitician authenticity he has cultivated during his whole rise to me is paramount to him winning re-election, which is why being honest here is probably better than trying to dodge it. >> he's one of the least honest people, probably the least honest -- >> donald trump is not going to win re-election based on honesty. that much i can tell you. let me just say, in the last two months we have seen him on live tv -- >> he's made himself look like a nonpolitician by not handling things the wa...

Seal. it's not there to cover up criminal conduct. so i agree this is a pipe dream, if they're going to limit the inquiry. >> we've had these conversations before, about trump lawyers putting up a lot of time lines for when this investigation could or will wrap up. >> are they really in a position to lay out terms for the special council? >> they are not. >> i think they're playing to an audience of one, and that's their client who likes to hear this kind of talk. who likes to think they're in there wrestling with the prosecutors as to what they can and cannot ask, when and how long they can i...

About strategy, but it's not there to cover up criminal conduct. so i agree that i think basically this is a pipe dream if they think they're going to limit the inquiry or try to use it as a tactic just to speed it up. >> john, we've had these conversations before about trump lawyers putting out a lot of time lines for when this investigation would wrap up, and they've been wrong about every one of them. are they really in a position to lay out terms for the special counsel? >> they are not. i think they're playing to an audience of one, and that's their client, who likes to hear this kind of ...

Time? >> it definitely doesn't work like that. have prosecuted at the state, local, and federal level. people don't get to say whatthol rr talk about, when they'll talk, when it is over. if the president feels like he's in legal jeopardy, he can take the fifth amendment, refuse to offer testimony, but short of that, this is really robert mueller's decision to make. when he'll talk to the president. he can issue a subpoena to the president if he thinks that's the right thing to do. and so i think that i understand why the president's counsel is trying to negotiate these things. i don't see any ...

He was innocent? >> do you feel he got a bit chippy or arrogant? >> i don't think he was arrogant but i think clearly he was angry and exasperated. >> but the jurors once they got the case said they were determined to look a just court theater. >> everyone was very committed to going over the evidence and discussing each of the witnesses and each of the crucial pieces of evidence. it was really encouraging. >> and it was crucial they decided to compare very carefully the different time lines claimed by the prosecution and the defense. >> so we analyzed the time line for the entire day. from hi...