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for a long time. he uses maybe one part of his leadership. he was up one day -- then the other day, pushback on somebody else. kind of the classic divide and rule. i think prigozhin was a handy tool for him to put pressure on shrug you, maybe you blame shrug you or others for what was happening. but it is obviously gunning out of control. he thought he could control, now he can't. >> how does this and do you think? >> like i said, i think in the short term he will be able to squash this. but in the long term, dictators, it's when that shrink in the armor shows that things start to ch...

We know that the two of the smoke earlier about the situation so there is a lid of a timeline match there, certainly we can say it is possible that that is very much what has been happening throughout the day. they were definitely a few times where prigozhin seemed to be taking a step back from his incessant publishing of audio messages throughout the day, kind of reinforcing his message and urging his guys on. something is going on in the background, it seems, we are not entirely sure what role putin played in this, we still not heard anything from the kremlin on this couch. from prigozhin, s...