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Successful in that. and this account says he hasn't been. he goes back to his personal residence at night, get his contacts and speaks to his contacts to his heart's content. the real danger, though, is that he's not just talking about conspiracy theories. he's not just issuing bombast, but that either wittingly or not he is spilling sensitive and potentially even classified information. and that is why precisely why the russians and chinese are doing this. >> so that's big fear number one. ken, big fear number two is donald trump is a guy who's prone to getting himself into trouble. and if so...

By the president of the united states himself. >> that is in fact the difference. jim, let's talk about these devices. the information we're getting is they were real. they could actually have exploded. what about what we know about this is going to help us figure out who and why? >> you've got to look at the make-up of the bomb. you look at the bomb carefully to see if you can zurn who the bomber is. you talked about a timer, it's been reported the bomb has a timer. timers aren't normally used in mail bombs. a digital timer here is most likely a safe arms switch. it's used by the bomber so he...

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The information we're getting is they were real. they could actually have exploded. what about what we know about this is going to help us figure out who and why? >> you've got to look at the make-up of the bomb. you look at the bomb carefully to see if you can zurn who the bomber is. you talked about a timer, it's been reported the bomb has a timer. timers aren't normally used in mail bombs. a digital timer here is most likely a safe arms switch. it's used by the bomber so he can carry the package, manipulate the package, put it into the mail stream, get it out of his car and it won't detonat...

Officials are mollified by the fact donald trump doesn't actually retain very much of the top secret intelligence given to him. so they're not so worried he would disclose in one of these phone calls. but he has a track record. he gave away highly sensitive information to the russians. one of the mind-boggling things about why we know this story, ali, as "the times" tells us is because current intelligence officials were so frustrated donald trump wasn't heeding their warnings that they decided to leak it to the news media. that's incredible. >> that brings me to the next question in that we'r...