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We don't know it is at this point. it seems sophisticated to me but i don't make bombs. >> it works explosive component there is a timing device. there is a detonating device. and in this case, if it is a cell phone one of the theories of course if it is a cell phone detonating device all that is the electrical charge causing detonation. so you call a cell phone, ringer goes off. ringer wire is attached to the bomb that. is what makes it go off. it's simple and pure electrical no big deal. the phone used to make the detonation. >> greta: jeff, thank you. >> you're welcome, greta. >> greta: we'...

Staggered? this is a timing device? if there was a cell phone? is there anything you can glean from that? is that just speculation? >> really don't know at this point. i don't think that has meaning at this point in time. they probably -- my guess would with they wanted the bombs to go off as closely in time as possible to do the most damage ask have most people affected by that rather than have people clearing the area that, owe wo lead one to believe it's dprun a device that triggered it which would be likely a cell phone. they allow to you get a good distance from the bomb itself sou don't ...

Conclude based on who would have the ability to make a bomb that would have this kind of effect? >> well, if -- for example, if it's kind of a pipe bomb that's made with black powder and a timing device, and as we saw in the early reporting had some kind of shrapnel, bbs or whatever, that is a device that's not overly complicated to make. now, you compare that to -- >> and that would expand the circle of plausible suspects, right? because it would mean that, you know, that is -- that is a capacity that many people have as opposed to something very -- >> less technical, obviously. the easier it...

Staggered? this is a timing device? if there was a cell phone? is there anything you can glean from that? is that just speculation? >> really don't know at this point. i don't think that has meaning at this point in time. they probably -- my guess would with they wanted the bombs to go off as closely in time as possible to do the most damage ask have most people affected by that rather than have people clearing the area that, owe wo lead one to believe it's dprun a device that triggered it which would be likely a cell phone. they allow to you get a good distance from the bomb itself sou don't ...

Would have this kind of effect? >> well, for example, if it's a kind of a pipe bomb that's made with black pouder and a timing device, and as we saw in the early reporting, shrapnel, bbs, whatever. that's a device that's not overly complicated to make. >> and that would expand the circle of plausible suspects because that is a capacity that many people have. >> less technical, the easier it is for the average person to get their hands on this. as opposed to some of the devices that we've seen coming out of the afghanistan and pakistan that are made by more sophisticated bombers and techniques,...