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Way, in a way that makes sense. >> structured way. >> right, in a very thoughtful manner. the one key point that tim and i were talking about earlier, we have no leverage over the taliban. with the taliban, you can't sanction them. >> it's not a sovereign nation. >> exactly. >> last question to you, and that's about congress' role here. you look at the criticism from senator graham and it's again what we've seen time and time again. the president is going around congress, circumventing congress. >> this goes back to the conversation we've been having for how long which is this president fundam...

That are going to, i think, set up all sorts of religious second to violence and i don't think there's a good solution. >> i want to get back to this broader point about what the national security team is trying to do and what the president is trying to do or what he's preventing them from doing as a result of what he's doing as well. this notion of the president wanting a precipitous withdraw versus them wanting to think this out more thoroughly, how complicating does that make this? >> it's a little bit of a mess. it's awkward, right? tim and i were talking about this. this is a complicated ...

Miller. >> how much of that is him, is stephen miller? you talked to conservatives on immigration and looked at immigration about changing green card rules and he said it's not entirely symbolic but mostly symbolic. how much of this is stephen miller having a mastery of what's symbolic or a cruel or dra i don't even kn -- how much of it is his own making? >> i think he works at two levels, the symbolic level. there was a famous incident in the white house briefing room where he talked about why the statue of liberty should not be a symbol of welcome to immigrants. he's definitely working worki...

Into the trump fold, how this relationship came about between him and the persisteand the pree united states. >> he worked for jeff sessions in the senate. senator sessions is one of the most adamant opponents of immigration and donald trump used to talk to breitbart when miller was talking to breitbart as well. miller told his friends he wished trump would run for president, and as soon as he did miller started working behind the scenes on the campaign and formally joined him. >> tim, how were the presidents beliefs on this matter? there's been reporting about the trump organization and its u...

Can seat 49,250. it's not the national mall either. there was a torrent of tweets about this over the weekend and the president seemed to be egged bye-b on by viewers who spotted empty seats during the tour. he seems to be fixated on this, that he broke the record by elton john who played there in 2004. the daily mail.com says that according to arena staff elton john had an audience of 11,300 and said the crowd for president trump was just around 11,500. president trump may have bested a world famous musician in a mid size arena in manchester, new hampshire but, surprise, this is a distraction...