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Spectacularly rich and who cares if you're that rich or even richer than that, right? who cares? but donald trump really cared a lot about that, cared so much that he sued timothy o'brien for that book, specifically for saying in that book that donald trump wasn't a billionaire. and you know, it was clever. in the event that trump wasn't a billionaire, he came up with a way to solve that problem with that lawsuit because he sued timothy o'brien over that book for $5 billion in damages, which is hilarious. and what resulted was a ridiculous lawsuit. that was basically a suit in which trump trie...

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Forcefully indicating what you have may not be true. in those instances, how does that affect what you publish? >> absolutely there are instances like that. i've been covering the justice department for nearly five years. and i've been a reporter for more than 30. and when you're working with officials, especially in the justice department or the fbi or various departments that we cover, you have a relationship with them. you come to them not on fishing expeditions. you come with them with a story you're about to run. and sometimes they will guide you and say i'm not sure that's right. or they...

Also consider the late-breaking news today reported first by fox business and now confirmed by nbc news that the president has now chosen his private counsel who he will use to try to save his presidency, to the extent that his presidency has to be saved by legal maneuvering. in 2005, a "new york times" reporter named timothy o'brien went on to be the business section editor at the knew y"th times." he published this book about donald trump. one of the things he claimed in this book, "trump nation," was that donald trump wasn't a billionaire. timothy o'brien's book said that trump wasn't worth...

He was closer to $250 million in terms of his net worth. and you know, like who would be mad about that, right? once you're at 250 million, i think we can all agree you're spectacularly rich and who cares if you're that rich or even richer than that, right? who cares? but donald trump really cared a lot about that, cared so much that he sued timothy o'brien for that book, specifically for saying in that book that donald trump wasn't a billionaire. and you know, it was clever. in the event that trump wasn't a billionaire, he came up with a way to solve that problem with that lawsuit because he ...