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You, i thought hugely impressive, right? he's smart, he's knowledgeable, he's extremely well spoken, but donald trump just operates in a different realm. all these guys are running against the greatest showman on earth. and the different approaches to how to deal with it, desantis is i'm boeing to tiptoe around it -- going to tiptoe around, chris christie is, no, i'm going directly after it, and maybe both of those theories are wrong. i really think what's hurt desantis so far is nothing wrong about him, it's just trump's continued strength and that bragg indictment which you referred to that ...

Clients. it is important to remember that michael cohen although he does bring some baggage he has been charged with lying to prosecutors. >> he has been convicted. >> yes. >> at the same time he is someone who comes with perhaps unmatched firsthand knowledge of the president's personal and professional dealings. >> did he dangle a pardon in front of you and tell us about the business practices of the trump organization? they will ask all of that. they this have a very wide birth here which is kind of surprising to me. there may be stuff on russia they have to sort of tiptoe around. it seems t...