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Migrants flood the migrant camps. he joins us now. todd, your reaction in putting in perspective the end of title 42. what changed today? >> we are in a state of very large camps, 15,000 haitians in renosa, 10,000 in matamoros. thousands more in yuma. they are waiting to see if the new policy which is title 8 expedite the removal lets some of the first ones in. if that happens, and they are watching. everybody is on the edge of their streets. i spent the last six days in mexico along the immigrants. they are waiting and watching to see if the first ones who come in the biden administration let...

Policy institute, a nonpartisan research organization. let me start off with these numbers. were you anticipating higher numbers than what we're seeing right now? why are we seeing these lower than expected numbers we saw the president commenting on? >> i think we were expecting much higher numbers. i think the president was expecting higher numbers and i think the word got out is title 42 is probably less tough than made out to be and what's coming now, title 8, is a lot tougher. there's a huge rush right before friday for people to get in, and then it dropped off. >> obviously had people bee...

The opposition on the other side continuing to hold on to the hope that they can do this, that they can bring the change that they have been promising people. they say to go back to a real democracy and reverse years and decades of recep tayyip erdogan's rule that they say has turned this into an authoritarian state, jim. >> jomana karadsheh in istanbul. a wild scene in istanbul tonight. thanks so much. we'll check back with you as things develop. appreciate it very much. now to the u.s./mexico border. it's now three days since the expiration of title 42, the pandemic-era policy that stymied...

Expected. >> here's a look at the numbers. homeland security officials say there were only about 4,200 encounters yesterday. that's a big drop from the day before. and yesterday's numbers are less than half of the 10,000 seen at the u.s./mexico border in the days before title 42 ended. the homeland security secretary says the white house helped reduce these numbers by conveying a clear message of stricter punishments. >> we have communicated very clearly a vitally important message to the individuals who are thinking of arriving at our southern border. there is a lawful, safe, and orderly way ...

But we're still seeing people showing up at the border. >> is it just sort of a perfect storm of bleak conditions in all of these states? is that what's driving a lot of this, or is it just the end of title 42 that sort of put up this big neon sign saying come, come, come? >> i think it was both. i think you have on one hand a perfect storm in latin america. sluggish economy after covid. you have the crises in venezuela and haiti and nicaragua and cuba. add into that people know they're going to get a job on this side. title 42 sent people back to mexico and they could try again four or five t...