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What you see and hear. believe me. i don't. i believe the witnesses and the evidence, and that's what we need to look at. and thank heavens for john dean and the tapes. >> john dean has actually tweeted a response to the president tweeting, i still have trouble using the title mr. president for someone installed by putin. i doubt you have any idea what mcgahn has told mueller. also nixon knew i was meet with prosecutors because i told him. however, he didn't think i would tell them the truth, which is a point you were alluding to, jill. let me just say something else about rudy giuliani becaus...

Using the title mr. president for someone installed by putin. i doubt you have any idea what mcgahn told mueller. teen was white house counsel for nixon and became a key witness in the watergate scandal. joining me from washington, world news editor for axios, dave lawler. good to have you back with us. let's talk about trump's tweets on john dean's signal he is worried about his lawyer's meeting with the special counsel. what do you think the significance of kind of the subtlety, if you will, between john dean, the reference, and mcgahn. >> according to "the new york times" reporting trump is...