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Wants to be portrayed but once you get in the kremlin's spin cycle here, there's really no way of telling which way it's going to spit you out, jim. >> no question about it. i mean, that's why he is very much sounding like comrade tucker these days, in moscow. all right. nic robertson, thank you very much for that eye-opening report. appreciate it. joined by legendary chess grand master and outspoken putin critic garry kasparov and chairman of the human rights negotiation and human rights initiative. gary, you recently made the point vladimir putin is not playing chess, playing poker, and you ...

It as, spinning on-rare. le on-air. let's get notice taste of that. >> existing primarily to -- most dangerous enemy they scream. can't let them hurt ukraine. turns out russiagate was more effective than we reealized. the steele dossier, the theme, russia, russia, russia is bad. the fact is ukraine is strategically irrelevant to the united states. no rational person to key defend a war with russia over u tkrain >> gary, you know, those who revered ronald aegon always about preventing expansion of russia during the cold war and you mentioned earlier there have been moments throughout, you know,...

Know putin never limited ambitions in this part of the world. instrumental in out al assad in syria and never -- >> gary, do you think that is why the u.s. is taking vladimir putin so seriously to some extent? because if they were just to come out and do what you're doing right now and call putin's bluff, wouldn't putin were tempted to puff out his chest and say, no, i am serious and then do something? can you talk about how very delicate that proposition is for the u.s. administration? >> yeah. it is delicate. let's not forget, delve into putin's problem and om now showing seriousness, becaus...