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There was collusion. >> intruly not involved in any form of collusion with russia. believe me. >> now to the arguments. we have two of the pre eminent lawyers to test out some of these ideas in the case today. a former federal prosecutor has done over 100 prosecution cases and he is currently a candidate for attorney general in illinois. and alan dershowitz is one of the most pre eminent attorneys in the country having tried over 200 cases. and he is the author of trumped up. each person will have four minutes to present their side of the case. renato for the prosecution. arguments go first. >...

Russian involvement in our election. >> i'm not here to defend donald trump. i'm here to defend the rule of law. i'm here to defend you. >> welcome back to the special edition of "the beat" in the moot court rule at john jay college in the city of new york. we heard arguments from both sides. now we hear from our students who are keeping an open mind. just by a show of hands, who is now more convince that had there was a conspiracy that involved the trump campaign? and who is less convinced or more dubious based on what you heard? let me start with you, sir, in the back. what did you hear that...

I can't defend the argument, of course, the russians are trying to influence the election. i can't even defend necessarily the argument that there may not have been some collusion. >> so that's an important point. you concede what russia was up to and that there may have been collusion but you say you can still win. >> that's right. i think the most important aspect of advocacy is to concede what you can't defend. you must maintain your credibility in front of a jury. and then draw a line to say, look, i'm not going to argue there wasn't russia attempt. i'm not even going to argue that there w...

>> who is more convinced and has a reason? >> what affected my thinking was when the defense made it clear that collusion is not a crime. it leaves open the idea of whether or not that is being used as a shield to cover conspiracy in an actual crime. to divert us a little bit. >> who else? >> the defense itself said the prosecution's argument was convincing. do i believe there was collusion? yes. it is a matter of whether or not it was legal. >> does anyone think it was hard to have an open mind given everything you hear? >> you hear so much in the media he, depending on which side you're on t...

We have judiciary. we have intelligence. and we have a house hearing. i want them to get on with the task, but i also want the senate and the house to come out with their findings, and they say, no, we haven't found any collusion. there is no collusion. you know why? because i don't speak to russians. they're investigating something that never happened. >> continue our special edition of "the beat." one thing we didn't have in this mock trial courtroom today was any witnesses, and in any case that touches on the white house, there's always the question of whether the most important person in t...