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Football, the other party not it in power, decides it's an of important thing. and president obama used to hate the debt ceilings. it's time to build something that controls the deficit properly and not arbitrary. >> brenda: toby, doesn't this basically give a blank check to washington saying we don't need a limit. at least when we have a limit we're forced to look at that number and realize how much we're borrowing. >> if that logic were true, they wouldn't have passed any of the spending stuff. first off, two countries in the world, united states and sweden who have a debt ceiling. people go...

Flat. one. reasons they've been flat, quote, unquote, because the benefits prices go up so much faster than inflation. so, the things that really matter. and actually, the price increases, worse or harder on a person because of the fact that wage is-- wages are a big part of measuring, quote, unquote, inflation, but everyday spending is actually up and in particular, we're getting killed. >> brenda: gary b? >> your take home cash and extra taxes, obviously, don't help, but, yes, when you have the discretionary spending, it's just not there, so there father, there is a-- >> and gary b. >> but, ...

Jonas, it should have been privatized and we wouldn't have been on the hook for this whole scanner-gate or whatever it's going to be called in the next few days, it's ludicrous and it would have been more efficient and effective. look, all you have to do is look at the greatest invention probably to man that works great without government intervention, the internet. my gosh, we have things like paypal, ebay, and-- >> and without government intervention works perfectly. >> i'm sorry. >> brenda: go ahead. >> what did the government do here, what did they do wrong? because it's a little inconveni...