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Because there was a concern that it would essentially poke the bear. that it would cause too much higher in the white house, and that we would be fired before we even could get our toehold into what had happened. that is really remarkable. i think that is not how the justice system should work. the people who are subject of an investigation should not have the ability to pull the plug on the investigation. so, i agree with congressman swalwell that although we don't necessarily want to go back to the independent counsel, there really does have to be-y rethinking of what happened. otherwise why...

How did that inhibit your investigation? >> well, one of the things that it did was with respect to a certain aspect of the financial investigation, early on there was a decision to delay that because there was concern that it would essentially poke the bear, that it would cause too much fire in the white house and that we would be fired before we even could, you know, get a toe hold into what had happened. you know, that is really remarkable. i mean that is not how the justice system should work, that people who are subject of an investigation should not have the ability to pull the plug on t...

Werener going to get behind trump. we do not believe that the wedge issues that motivate his base are the right issues that christians should be voting on, and then you have, you know, people on the other side for whom it doesn't really matter what the president's character is as long as he is supporting their agenda, they're going to vote for him, and they're going to really, really support him. >> i want to throw up a tweet from britt human the. he tweeted over the weekend people mystified by evangelical christian support for trump don't seem to get the reason why. which is not that evangeli...

And i think ultimately the democrats have a constitutional obligation as public servants to get as much information about what has occurred to the american people as possible. and it's also a trial in front of the american people. ultimately, this is about who can control the narrative, the white house in its fantasy land or whether democrats can actually gain a toehold to make their case in front of the american people. not just the courts. it's not just about the courts. >> it's incredible when you think even mitch mcconnell is not necessarily letting witnesses come forward. we may never hea...

Ultimately, this is about who can control the narrative, the white house in its fantasy land or whether democrats can actually gain a toehold to make their case in front of the american people. not just the courts. it's not just about the courts. >> it's incredible when you think even mitch mcconnell is not necessarily letting witnesses come forward. we may never hear from some of these people who are involved in what democrats allege could potentially be an impeachable offense. what do you make of that significant development in the emails that a budget official is essentially telling a penta...