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Constituencies are for either party, for the democrats new york and california, everywhere the big money is, who can raise money. he understood you had to be with your state. and i think about, this is harry reid who got the nra endorsement back in the day. there was a pragmatic streak in him. and i'm ccurious, do you think e could have been leader today with that same pragmatic streak? >> don't know. today is a different day, obviously things have changed dramatically. you go back to when tom daschle was elected democratic leader, harry and i worked very hard to get that to happen. and then t...

Really is and we'll find the right way to preserve the art of the deal. >> reporter: he sold himself as being the deal maker. >> paul ryan failed to bring together groups. >> you don't see this as a failure of the president. you see this as a failure of the job of the speaker of the house. >> i do. >> reporter: that's bob gray. he's running for congressman to replace tom price who tom appointed secretary of health and human services and the others agree. >> i think paul ryan did a good thing pulling it versus failing. >> reporter: that was the tactic. >> sure. could he have been better prepare...