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And senior government studies at the conservative heritage found aegs and here with me in new york, peter emerson, who served in three democratic administrations. victoria, your thoughts on this new leader and what it means for the democrats. >> i think when i think of tom perez, i think of someone who is politically bicultural. yes, keith ellison was very entrenched into that progressive bernie wing of the party but tom perez in terms of the progressive movement. let's not forget he worked in the labor -- he was labor secretary. in addition to that, fought for voting rights. was in the justic...

It died. i'm worried about 2017 and 2018. >> victoria and brian? >> we is can have all the lists we want. we need logistical work getting done at the state level. how about a core formation? let's form it. then we can fight out the differences between the progressive and moderate wing of the democratic party. i can speak from experience. here in texas, the dnc, state party apparatus is basically a skeleton. that needs to be rebuilt. then we can have our fights within the party. >> brian, going to you, let me read what president trump said about all of this. congratulations to tom perez, who ha...

He agrees with. i think you're already going to see a split in the party because of this choice. >> victoria, brian is throwing some shade. it may not be inaccurate shade. it certainly is the case that bernie sanders lit a fire across the country, hillary clinton did not generate the same outcome from those voters. although she got more votes. here is bernie sanders talking about all of this today. >> tom perez, a very, very good secretary of labor, has a real opportunity in his hands. and i hope he seizes it. and that is to understand that, in fact, the way the democratic party has been run f...

About a lot in the media. but the real work, the real work that has to be done is boring, is getting folks at the local level and especially at the state level elected to democratic posts. that is one thing the rnc has been brilliant at. one date that i have very clear in mind is 2020 because that's when the redistricting is going to happen. with tom approximate perez and everybody in the democratic party has to do is roll up their sleeves and figure out how they're going to win all of the state houses. the state houses are the ones that are going to be drawing the new congressional seats come...

Weekend. former obama official tom perez beat ellison for that job as chair. he said he will take on donald trump as a fraud. >> we lead with our values and we lead with our actions. we talk to them about how literally hours into the trump administration he was a fraud. we lead with our values as democrats and talk about what we've done to make sure we're protecting social security, protecting medicare, growing good jobs in this economy. if you want good jobs, elect a democrat. that's the message that we have to communicate. >> about those jobs, new nbc/wall street journal does show that presi...