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Approximately see policy is being made at the white house and excluding state which should be the main agents of the foreign policy, and i hope he changes that and my sense is the very good diplomats that exist at state that are advising rex tillerson like thomas shannon, the undersecretary and a lot of others can say to him, look, we've got to open things up. let's be the center of american foreign policy, and i think tillerson, there is negotiating ability and an oil executive and maybe can be a new face of this foreign policy. i hope so. >> on the point about excluding state being done and ...

Of any warrant that may have been sought over this, do you support an independent investigation of president trump and his associates with known ties to russian officials? >> well, i think we have a very robust and important architecture in the two bipartisan intelligence committees, house and senate. and the first step ought to be to let them go through their process and see what recommendations they might make. >> so if we look at the issues of president trump and his associates, i know that you actually put up on your website recently about the real reset forrussia, about six paragraphs, an...

Effort -- in our desire and strategic interest to keep the ukraine independent of russia. part of ukraine still is. >> do you think president trump is the right person for that job? >> that's a decision made by the american people, not me. >> all right, sir. i want to get your take on what is the big talk right now as what rand paul called it a charm offensive, and i know you called the new bill a good start. in your opinion, how is it better than obamacare and according to secretary price potentially cover more people? >> well, i think, first of all, we've got to do something. recognizing the...

U.s. to ransom. >> so, governor, in listening to gordon chang saying that they would be able to make a nuke in less than ten years, about five years, he was saying to get to the u.s. mainland. how do we stop them from getting to that point in a five-year period of time? >> well, i -- i think the assessment is accurate because their technology is advancing so strenuously. they've got about 20 nuclear weapons already. i think that's the big issue and what makes sense right now. i've been very critical of president trump's foreign policy, however, on north korea, i think so far they've been delib...

Doesn't want to. maybe they need to talk to the people in the justice department and people that would have issued any kind of so-called fisa warrant or anythingand a them directly. >> when it comes to president trump, do you think that there is an issue of tweeting about this and saying something that would be an impeachable offense against president obama is putting him in a position to be obstructing justice? >> well, everybody seems to have their own personal style, and there's been a lot of very strong comments made and sometimes disruptive comments made in the camp amp and in the time si...