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Some visibility into the business side of trump's dealings. he worked for tom bear rick and was close to tom bear rick, a close trump friend who has done business with. and we keep on hearing that mueller's investigation might veer off into trump's finances. he might have insight there too. >> i want to know about the buzz. you're in the room, you hear other conversations, illinois know what's going on. does rick gates now about what happened in trump tower in june? does he know about all these meetings with kislyak? there's a lot of things that goes on with politics. was he there to get this ...

There's another one. he neither particularly listened to what was said to him nor considered what he said in response. and this is a pattern that you hear you made the point earlier it's not just from steve bannon or one person has denied a couple of of the quotes it's from a whole host of people we spoke to. >> what's interesting to me, steve bannon also said things that i think would be of interesting to mueller's investigators. he talked about the idea of money laundering and how you get to the president through those who are close around him. jared kushner, his on son don junior, he's said...

Observation a befuddled trump morphing into a disbelieving trump and then into a horrified trump. but still to come was the final transformation suddenly. donald trump became a man who believed that he deserved to be and was fully capable of being the president of the united states. all right. let's bring back the panel for more lively discussion. jack, starting with you. so two people have denied katy walsh, bear rick as well saying he was stupid our had to treat him like a kid. but no one has come out saying these on the record statements aren't true about the line he read about the constitu...

Then there's a public making up session, that could happen, i don't know. >> but it does raise the question how this author was able to get. kind of access so early on in the administration and get all these on the record quotes from so many of the now former employees and current employees. >> that's the thing. if you look at the michael wolf piece which included the steve bannon quotes, it's not just bannon whose making these comments, it's a whole host of folks who the president would call his friends, tom bear rick, katy walsh who was for a time the deputy chief of staff. dismissing trump'...