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Response. and this is a pattern that you hear -- you made the point earlier -- it's not just from steve bannon or one person who has denied a couple of the quotes, it's from a whole host of people we spoke to. >> what's interesting to me, steve bannon also said things that i think would be of interesting to mueller's investigators. he talked about the idea of money laundering and how you get to the president through those who are close around him. jared kushner, his own son, don junior, he's said, evan, bannon has said that he hasn't been contacted by mueller's team, he's not part of that inve...

This might just be political two-step in its finest. if you think sometimes this white house gets off the page with people, if you think about jeff flake or sessions and maybe from time to time tillerson and then there's a public making up session, that could happen, i don't know. >> but, you know, it does raise the question how this author was able to get this access so early on in the administration and get all these on-the-record quotes from so many of the now form er employees and current employees. >> that's the thing. if you look at the michael wolf piece which included the steve bannon ...

The transition? >> it reminds me of a great general mccrystal who let the rolling stones reporter be embedded with them and he won their confidence and then he -- you know, ultimately -- >> but, jack, interesting you bring that up, because he never denied those comments were made. he, in fact, granted that those comments were made and we have not seen a denial of -- at least from some of the people involved of all of these comments. bannon has not denied his comments. >> the only one that's denied and correct me if i'm wrong is tom bearick and katy walsh on one of the quotes. but the president...