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>> aren't you throwing him under the bus with that one? >> i thought it was the wrong thing to do for an official of his sfats -- stature to be making those sorts of comments and not taking accountability for them. >> reporter: they weren't in the quiet car and matsy says hayden wasn't trying to muffle his conversation. matsy here, hayden here two rows back and matsy said hayden was, quote, the loud guy on the train. in a statement to cnn, hayden, a cnn.com contributor, said i didn't criticize the president. i actually said these are very difficult issues. i said, i had political guidance too ...

Michael hayden was defending himself today saying he did not in fact criticize the obama administration. why the former spy chief felt compelled to say this is fascinating. strangers on the train, specifically on a train outside philadelphia. these weren't just any old strangers. one man was the previously mentioned michael hayden talking on the phone on background to reporters about the obama administration and he is overheard by tom matsy, who worked for moveon.org. former nsa spy boss behind me blabbing on background as a former senior administration official. sounds defensive. former nsa s...

Brian? >> christie and miguel, the irony here is that the man who once led the nation's eavesdropping program had the tables turned on him, and it's become a political hot topic. tom matsy says he was sitting on the acela train from d.c. to new york listening for an hour and 20 minutes to man speaking brashly on a cell phone. >> i didn't like what he was doing. >> reporter: it wasn't just any passenger. it was former nsa and cia director michael hayden, speaking to reporters, giving his take on the nsa spying scandal, insisting, matsy says, he be referred to as a former senior administration o...

Question, first, whether or not i'm saying anything that's untrue, but all of my comments that i made on twitter and subsequently are accurate. >> once? hayden's office apparently noticed matzzie, matsy tweeted the jig is up. they had a pleasant conversation and posed for a picture. he says at that point hayden offered to do an interview with him, but he told hayden he was not a journalist. wolf? what specifically did hayden say that supposedly disparaged the obama administration. >> because he said he, hayden, had told the president early on that the president's own blackberry could be vulner...

Sounds defensive." hayden was bragging about rendition and black sites a minute ago. phone ringing, i think the jig is up. maybe somebody is telling him i'm here. do i hide? mr. hayden apparently did speak with tom matzzie and posed for a picture with him. there is a picture and another tweet from tom matzzie, me and steeler fan mike hayden. given their friend lira pore later on i spoke to tom matzzie on the the phone and he was unrepentant. he thought that mr. hayden was undignified in doing what he did, that it was inappropriate for him to speak i guess on background reporters the way he did...