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Handled at the state level by your office and by other attorneys general at the state level and not as a federal matter by the department of justice? >> well, look, rachel, in fairness to our federal partners, tom miller is leading an investigation with lisa madigan in illinois on the vfrg aspects of this that have worked hand in glove with tom perelli at the department of justice and secretary donovan at hud and others. so there are a lot of folks doing a lot of hard work on this. the issue as it relates to the criminality of this that eric and i have talked about and you talked about in your...

Handled at the state level by your office and by other attorneys general at the state level and not as a federal matter by the department of justice? >> well, look, rachel, in fairness to our federal partners, tom miller is leading an investigation with lisa madigan in illinois on the vfrg aspects of this that have worked hand in glove with tom perelli at the department of justice and secretary donovan at hud and others. so there are a lot of folks doing a lot of hard work on this. the issue as it relates to the criminality of this that eric and i have talked about and you talked about in your...

Matter by the department of justice? >> well, look, rachel, in fairness to our federal partners, tom miller is leading an investigation with lisa madigan in illinois on the vfrg aspects of this that have worked hand in glove with tom perelli at the department of justice and secretary donovan at hud and others. so there are a lot of folks doing a lot of hard work on this. the issue as it relates to the criminality of this that eric and i have talked about and you talked about in your intro, these are hard cases to make from a criminal perspective. anytime you have lawyers and accountants blessi...

It was an arc that went very quickly from i'm sorry to i'm really sorry and there's still fallout today, people saying he should lose his spot all together. >> and, kelly, we should mention that, in fact, the attorney general was at that larger meeting with the bp executives. the white house notes he was not involved in the negotiations over the claims fund. although the associate attorney general tom perelli was. setting all that aside, the reason everybody was there, of course, was to hear from tony hayward, the bp ceo. how did that go? >> reporter: the real trouble for hayward, he wanted to...