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Should turn in illegal criminals? now, you know in a democratic primary, it is a dead loser to be pro-i.c.e. and to be pro-locking up criminals. >> laura: i get it, now. >> it sounds weird. but i'm not sure it's weird for them. >> laura: so for them it makes perfect sense. i want to play one more thing for you. this is from your friend joe, former republican, panhandle native. what he said about what's happening to the republican party and the former stronghold, for instance, of orange county in california. let's watch. >> you look at orange county. my gosh, as tom said, congratulations republ...

Said cohen's work did not meet the requirement to registertor register as a lobbyist. is at&t cutting it close from an ethical perspective? >> as tom said, michael cohen is not somebody who is known for his antitrust expertise or telecom expertise. so he's being brought on because he has access to the president. at the very least, that is -- that is the kind of swampy, unethical behavior that people don't like in washington. but there's stuff that we don't know yet that is going to tell us whether there's a legal problem here. >> noah talked about the swampy behavior and playbook had some hot ...

Staying on this story. tom, thank you for join youing you tlus. nancesy, yamish, shea where you are. coming up with a plan "b" to try to protect the guy we're talking about, robert mueller. why they're so worried about safeguarding the special counsel and how this new push is different from ones that didn't work before. your brain changes as you get older. but prevagen helps your brain with an ingredient originally discovered... in jellyfish. in clinical trials, prevagen has been shown

>> aisle i've always felt that was a deal that's not gort country. i think your pricing's going to go up. i don't think it's a good deal for the country. but i'm not going to get involved, it's litigation. >> so put that into the context of high this payment matters, tom. >> so just a few days after the inauguration of a president who had expressed his opposition to the merger of at&t/time warner, at&t hires michael cohen, the president's personal lawyer, and it was clear if you looked at the at&t agenda at the time, priority one was getting that deal approved. and whit eliwilling down the opp...

That there is implicit executive privilege that's not waveived, t for dearborne there's no problem. there is no expectation of executive privilege. so, i guess again to the chaos of the white house -- >> let me stop there, though. this is a really important point. one, you and i worked in the white house. my understanding is rick dearborne's job was -- wasn't he the staff secretary? he would have seen literally every piece of paper that went in front of the president. >> right. >> if there is ever the kind of job around which you'd invoke executive privilege, it would be someone with rick dear...