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Lapse in testing or, you know, some sort of timeout, that would be helpful. and a show of good faith. >> and is there a danger in putting kim jong-un on the same level as the president of the united states and some sort of bilateral discussion where the cameras are out there and so on? >> casually says -- what was that? >> looks like a reality show. if you do something like that. and the way the president talks right now, he's already putting himself and reducing the presidency to the same stage as the north korean leader. >> do you think he gets any credit though with the way -- he started of...

Obstructed the logical progress of the investigation in the investigation's ability to reach a natural conclusion. [inaudible] >> at this rate. we are talking about an accusation. there may be no substance to it. one of the questions i would have is did this with the body of evidence the fbi had come out with a loud to proceed with normal investigative techniques that when you have substantive allegations, where they benefit the tools in the tool chest? we've heard conversations. we heard there were no grand jury subpoenas or no grand jury. that's a typical investigative tool so i'd want to kn...

No opportunity for experts to weigh in. >> the american people deserve greater transparency. >> we will fight this bill with all we have. >> we have got to stand up and fight in an unprecedented way. to make sure that that legislation never sees the light of day. >> joining us now is oregon democratic senator jeff merkley who just spoke on the senate floor. he's one of the senators who helped organize this effort tonight. thank you for being with us. >> thanks so much. this is so important, this secret strategy to destroy health care for millions of americans. >> is there -- can you talk to me...

Because you're part of the deep state? is that what this is about or something that's bipartisan or nonpartisan in nature? >> i think you hit it on the head. i'm part of the national security apparatus of united states. my first priority and those of my colleagues is always about advancing u.s. interest around the world. i think when we see the state department going dark we really are alarmed by just how much of the tool chest is not being used at a critical time for our country. when the secretary of state walks down on a tarmac it's usually on the front page of the paper in whatever country...

Stop of the secretary's trip. >> cost savings. both my next guests say that's kind of bogus. joining me to explain why. journalists who covered three secretaries of state both democrat and republican for the bbc. she's also the author of the secretary about hillary clinton's time as secretary of state. you worked in the state department. you took to twitter over the weekend disagreeing with spicer. tell me why the answer doesn't add up. >> the most important thing we have to realize is as kim was saying in the last segment, this isn't about secretary tillerson made to feel important. it's beca...