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Think the political equivalent of brain surgery, trying to negotiate cuts that are enough for republicans to take home to support a debt increase, but not so much that democrats just can't go along with it at all. >> and in talking to some republicans, i think the difference this time is that john boehner doesn't really control his own caucus. whatever you think of the job that he's trying to do, these preliminary run-up votes show that you've got new members in the republican caucus who aren't the same as the old-style members of congress. they don't seem to care if they aren't re-elected. an...

Stopping. michael shermer, founding publisher of skeptic magazine has some thoughts on why this caught us off guard. >> we're used to thinking of things from top down control. we have economists that tell us how to run economies. that's how it's been for hundreds of years. long-term has been more bottom up. by bottom up, i mean the people are in control or it's a self-organized -- provide for their families and out of that, they want autonomy, freedom and prosperity. i'm a historian of science, so if we think of political systems as scientific experiments and democracies as controlled expermit...