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St. john. there is minimal amount of looting going on. a lot of it is people being desperate for water and such that we're trying to get to them. a lot of jockeying, a lot of pushing at distribution centers we're trying to bring under control. and i have to tell you unfortunately in part of the world we live in right now, there are going to be people trying to take advantage. . people who were robbing before it was a hurricane who find the opportunity now. but that is not at the level people were saying. i was there on st. john where there were rumors of so much police and armed robbers. and t...

It's been incredible to see and largely self-organized. i think the dnc has an opportunity to turbo charge that activism that's happening. we have an enormous opportunity to improve the technologies that exist, to help people do that organizing work. you know, help people schedule those events, turn people out to those town halls, to make their opinions heard. and i also think that the democratic party has an unprecedented opportunity to get more people invested in the party, get more small donors contributing and expand that base. and then the last thing i'd say, you talk about these differen...

Stopping. michael shermer, founding publisher of skeptic magazine has some thoughts on why this caught us off guard. >> we're used to thinking of things from top down control. we have economists that tell us how to run economies. that's how it's been for hundreds of years. long-term has been more bottom up. by bottom up, i mean the people are in control or it's a self-organized -- provide for their families and out of that, they want autonomy, freedom and prosperity. i'm a historian of science, so if we think of political systems as scientific experiments and democracies as controlled expermit...