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This is back in 2010, specifically found that they were having two lists, one bogus, one that was real. flash forward to may of 2012. the senate holds a hearing, the senate holds a hearing on the problematic, long, ridiculously long waits for care at va facilities. listen to this witness. >> like many va medical centers, the over riding objective at our facility from top management down was to meet our numbers, meaning, to meet our performance measures. the golfs to see as many veterans as possible but not necessarily to provide the treatment needed. >> patty murray followed thaup hearing with...

Have done this month alone. this is back in 2010, specifically found that they were having two lists, one bogus, one that was real. flash forward to may of 2012. the senate holds a hearing, the senate holds a hearing on the problematic, long, ridiculously long waits for care at va facilities. listen to this witness. >> like many va medical centers, the over riding objective at our facility from top management down was to meet our numbers, meaning, to meet our performance measures. the golfs to see as many veterans as possible but not necessarily to provide the treatment needed. >> patty murray...