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The senate. playing defense is the key to protecting that. you're looking at states like montana, west virginia, all of these are places that tilt red and it is going to be incumbent on the people who are incumbents there to be able to maintain those seats. but abortion becomes a big issue when you look at states like arizona, nevada, wisconsin, all of those are things that the head of the democratic senate campaign arm gary peters told me this is going to be a central issue at play there, in part because of the enthusiasm that we watched democrats be able to leverage in the first election pos...

Talking to us about, how would that work and do you agree with that as a strategy? >> i think the republicans need to come up with a better explanation for what exactly their position is. that's the problem right now. it was very simple for many years, republicans just said they wanted roe to be gone. that was one answer on that issue and it wasn't very real. it is much more real and complicated right now. and the reality is republicans are still figuring out that position and they're doing it in public view. it is an ugly process. and until republicans figure out a position and one that is po...