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Psychological operation. we need a video that goes viral. fake upgraded underwear bomb gone wrong, where your you know what gets blown off and there is no virgins at the end of this. all over the world and if people were watching this, there wouldn't be any more -- >> eric: there are versions. >> dana: right. collaborate on this video. >> kimberly: i like it. >> bob: i think this is a good progress. it is decimating. it is in the sense become smaller. you know, the interesting thing about this. this trial, the prosecutor stood up and said, one of the big issues is defense wants to bring in tor...

Psychological operation. we need a video that goes viral. fake upgraded underwear bomb gone wrong, where your you know what gets blown off and there is no virgins at the end of this. all over the world and if people were watching this, there wouldn't be any more -- >> eric: there are versions. >> dana: right. collaborate on this video. >> kimberly: i like it. >> bob: i think this is a good progress. it is decimating. it is in the sense become smaller. you know, the interesting thing about this. this trial, the prosecutor stood up and said, one of the big issues is defense wants to bring in tor...

>> that's widely reported. that's the best information i find on line. >> i haven't heard anything that the patriotic wasn't useful- >> that is what is reported -- >> we have heard specifically about the torture issue which the policy says that things that got bin laden and mccaine and others have come forward and said, no, torture was not. we stopped in 2003 and fine the name of the courier in 2007. clearly torture was not the thing that got us. it is not really on us to say -- >> but the british act is not about torture. >> it is not on us to say what violations of the patriotic act have hap...

The fact that it may be an international war crime, that seems to argue against torture. there are so many things about this that we don't know. my biggest problem with the torture issue, in the end, is i think that it's irrelevant to this. it seems as if there are some who are desperately trying to hold on to torture as a good thing rather than saying, does this work, is it effective, and are there better and more honest and frankly, more legal alternatives. that's my big concern, and in the end, most effective concern. >> but in this, we know starting in 2002, they were using these technique...

Secretary of state got fired by a tweet. that's ample fodder to continue making the argument that this is the president that does things in an inconstructive way. >> why is that inconstructive? >> it's embarrassing. if you have respect for rex tillerson, you have to have a sit down conversation and have a press conference to talk about his time and service to the matter. >> why is that matter? >> it's treating people with dignity and respect. this president uses twitter for foreign policy. some like it, some don't. we have concerns about mike pompeo. the new acting head of the cia as well as t...