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Or was there more to it? >> well, i think in one element, i think the country went rogue after 9/11. not just the cia. you saw military abuses. you saw intelligence abuses. you saw overreach for surveillance systems that we're still seeing right now. and there were elements in the cia that were desperate, that acted, i think, inappropriately, stupidly. they contracted out, spending millions of dollars to inexperienced people and ran a torture program. that was a -- >> they ran a torture program? >> absolutely. >> that went on for years and with support from very high levels of government. >> t...

Philippines insurrection. we prosecuted japanese soldiers for waterboarding in world war ii. we can't be a leader having a double standard for ourselves. it's just wrong. a lot was broken and bent out of shape trying to protect this torture program and we need to set all of that right as well. >> who is at the root of it, in your opinion senator? is this just some rogue agents that went off on their own because she wethey were upset te country got hit or do you think they took orders from the white house and it got out of hand. how would you describe what unfolded. >> i think there was a white...

Saw something about the report coming out? >> not now. will tomorrow. >> tell me about senator kerry's phone call with you on friday? >> no. >> what do you expect -- do you expect pushback -- >> tomorrow at 11:00, and i'd like to reserve any comment until then. >> thank you very much, ma'am. >> i'm sorry you had to wait all day for that. >> after five years of bitter wrangling, jockeying and litigation and power struggles and damn near constitutional crisis and a reported cost of $40 million, tomorrow the senate intelligence committee plans to release the most comp present account of the cia's...

Who live in dictatorships is the fact that we're willing to confront our foibles when we commit errors as we obviously did against international law and our own domestic law in conducting this torture program. >> mika, what's your reaction to the decision to release it? >> i think this decision has been a long time coming. they've been working for eight months to redabts sensitive information and this was an extensive investigation, five years, 6,000 pages, career investigators. they put a lot of time and effort into this, and dianne feinstein is the one to most likely give them a fair shake a...

Nobody pauses to think are chemical weapons a good idea? we ought not use torture. if you are going to go to the question, the lesson of this report is that it did not work. it never worked. the cia knew that unfortunately and misrepresented the utility to the government. >> on this point about whether the client was al qaeda affiliated, the former directors as you may know wrote a column saying once they had been compliant, both turned out to be invaluable sources on the al qaeda organization. what's your reaction to that? >> look, the best information we have now is the content of this repor...