nobody pauses to think are chemical weapons a good idea? we ought not use torture. if you are going to go to the question, the lesson of this report is that it did not work. it never worked. the cia knew that unfortunately and misrepresented the utility to the government. >> on this point about whether the client was al qaeda affiliated, the former directors as you may know wrote a column saying once they had been compliant, both turned out to be invaluable sources on the al qaeda organization. what's your reaction to that? >> look, the best information we have now is the content of this report. this was the most comprehensive examination of the torture program that has been conducted. they reviewed four million pages of documents and reviewed the cia's own record of what was