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Are more important than people. it's not okay in any aspect. when you are watching -- this is another reason why i think no one wants the job. you have an administration, someone in trump where covering up the death of someone is more important than doing what's right. regardless of party affiliation, it should be actually doing the right thing. there is nothing about the trump administration that shows you doing that. >> m. b.s. the world thinks he did it. >> all of the evidence -- gina haspel, c.i.a. director, goes to capitol hill. we have evidence -- >> they have the guy unable to breathe. ...

You know, in the u.s. we have the high-value interrogation team, and the french have similar teams, i'm sure. with law enforcement, we have special interview, cognitive interview teams. none of that torture stuff or beating people. that's not going to get you anything. but trained interigators that know how to talk to people, that take the time to do it. you might not get it instantly, but you'll get it eventually. and i think if they have arrested these people, if they're in the cell, in the support cell, logistics area of the terror cell, they'll get plenty of information from them in the da...

Maybe just people, you know, came out of it awed, and now they just think back and go i don't really want to see that again. i don't want to think than movie. i don't know. i don't know. i loved it too. i loved it a lot more than i loved "argo." >> best actress, i like jennifer lawrence. i thought she was terrific in "silver linings playbook." >> well, i think she is definitely going to win. jessica chastain i thought had a great shot. but "zero dark thirty" got caught up in all the torture stuff, and we know that despite what that movie says, torture does not work. and if you can point to any...

Right now and much to the public outcry that says, no, you can't have a man being brought up on espionage charges and refuse to give the evidence. it's an issue that requires a lot of public knowledge and support. they do hope to have a fair shot at getting due process. >> the other big dromt this week is the u.n. report by the investigator who looks into torture stuff. i want to read one court from the u.n. torture chief. he says imposing seriously punitive conditions of someone who hasn't been found guilty is a violation as well as of his presumption of innocence. what do you make of the u.n...

Week, and he made a good point, once this goes to the penalty phase, khalid shaikh mohammed will be allowed to bring up all of the evidence about what happened to him in custody -- >> getting the death penalty will be pretty hard. >> if they pursue the death penalty, all this torture stuff will be litigated in open court. >> this is the problem with the bush administration's torture program. you can't torture people and get away with it. and it's left a legacy of trouble for the obama administration and that's what they're dealing with. >> they've clearly lost the politics for this on now, but...