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We did not know that before we got this testimony tonight. what's also knew is the surprise word from capitol hill that omb documents on this subject have apparently been hand over to congress despite the white house supposedly putting a total lock down on any cooperation with the impeachment proceedings. it's the budget and appropriations committees who say they've received documents on this subject from omb and the documents they got according to the chairs of those two committees they say show a, quote, pattern of abuse by the white house. joining us now is congressman dan kildy. thanks for...

Medicare for retirees, but they'll pass legislation that will remake medicare in an entirely different way, trust us. you may not want to assume that policy is a total lock. but he says his budget cuts more than $5 trillion in the next decade. less than a trillion of that is coming from medicare. romney says his budget cuts about $7 trillion from the budget in the next decade and not a dollar, not a dime, not a penny comes from medicare. and neither romney nor ryan want to cut social security, and both want to increase spending on defense. okay, so what does that leave? if you're not cutting m...