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And how it happened for you? >> actually, it was my mom. she said, they're letting women go into the academy. this sounds like you, you ought to do this. and i looked around the room and said, me? i wanted to be a physical education teacher and coach. i was very athletic, even though i'm only 5'1 1/2". and i really loved that aspect of life, the competition and physical. it ended up there was a lot of that in the military, so it was a good niche for me. it was my mom that encouraged me to go. >> being a woman in the military, how difficult was it to deal with the men and being the first or sec...

And how it happened for you? >> actually, it was my mom. she said, they're letting women go into the academy. this sounds like you, you ought to do this. and i looked around the room and said, me? i wanted to be a physical education teacher and coach. i was very athletic, even though i'm only 5'1 1/2". and it ended up there was a lot of competition in the military so it was a good niche for me. it was really my mom that encouraged me to go. >> being a woman in the military, how difficult was it to deal with the men and being the first or second class that came through west point? >> first of a...