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I want to get to the bottom of it. and now he has an investigation that he has undertaken of the police and the role they're playing in. this but he is saying i don't want the head of the police department having anything to do with this investigation. he is basically saying i don't trust this guy. i want somebody outside handling this. where are we going with this? >> right now, chris, we have a real credibility problem which thank goodness patrick foye who is the executive director, he is the top man there, he is beginning to address this at least. and this is a serious issue. the port autho...

Just to get back to one thing. the whole traffic study explanation was developed after the fact. there was a lot of concern. if you go through those e-mails that circulated ahead of time, you don't see references to how this was going to be a legitimate traffic study. so a major question mark has to really be placed beside anything that says traffic study at this point in time. and particularly now, because the whole idea of a traffic study has been basically discredited. >> who -- when you go to try to find out, i don't know where your report song this, you mentioned a few minutes ago, who to...

So one of the most significant things in this document was it shows that meeting between sokolich and baroni which "a" sort of gives the lie to the traffic study explanation. >> yes. exactly. there was a traffic study. he knew exactly what the situation was. >> the meeting they had was talking about strategies to reduce traffic. >> right. >> so what sokolich told me is, you know, you look at the discussion we had, and there's no way he could have thought that shutting those lanes would be anything but a disaster for ft. lee. >> hunter walker from "talking points memo." thanks so much. >> tha...

E-mail traffic both about retaliating after the new york side re-opened the lanes and also about the order to close the lanes in the first place. so one of the most significant things in this document was it shows that meeting between sokolich and baroni which "a" sort of gives the lie to the traffic study explanation. >> yes. exactly. there was a traffic study. he knew exactly what the situation was. >> the meeting they had was talking about strategies to reduce traffic. >> right. >> so what sokolich told me is, you know, you look at the discussion we had, and there's no way he could have tho...

A bunch ever kid, it's a kindergarten down there. i'm not like that. i make things happen. i'm an adult. he has said that over and over again. dismissing other congressional leaders who might run for president as well. now he looks like he's the guy who is petty, a schoolyard bully and the whole idea that he didn't know -- listen there was evidence weeks ago that that whole traffic study explanation was full of you know what. yet he took no initiative to look into it and get to the bottom of this because he didn't want to. i still think it's hard to believe so many people at the port authority...