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The question should be what did do wrong to make these people think that this is appropriate behavior. and that's the question that the governor really has to answer. >> and let me just follow up on that with you, though. because the why did this all happen, not the line to the governor but why did the traffic thing happen really sort of haunts me in this. the idea of -- the one thing i kind of bought in what christie was saying there on thursday was he wasn't that obsessively concerned with the endorsement of the mayor of ft. lee. do you have an idea, any sense in your mind what was driving t...

You do? >> i'm not going to speculate on that. >> joining me now is attorney ari melber and john stan deans, the chief investigative reporter for wnbc new york. there's a lot of buzz among national pundits today about, well, you know, there's no real crime here. i mean, it's just a traffic thing. in fact, you've looked into some statutes, federal statute controlling interstate highways and so forth. it seems there is possible criminal liability in this situation. >> very early to tell. a lot of federal officials who we spoke with and defense lawyers that practice in the federal bar here in new...

For whatever reason, what would you do? >> i'm not going to speculate on that. >> joining me now is attorney ari melber and john stan deans, the chief investigative reporter for wnbc new york. there's a lot of buzz among national pundits today about, well, you know, there's no real crime here. i mean, it's just a traffic thing. in fact, you've looked into some statutes, federal statute controlling interstate highways and so forth. it seems there is possible criminal liability in this situation. >> very early to tell. a lot of federal officials who we spoke with and defense lawyers that practic...

To have its own policy. >> bill: no doubt it will be challenged on that basis that federal law supersedes. >> it will. it will also be challenged on the basis this is a civil libertarian's nightmare. it's going to require -- the only way to discharge reasonable suspicion is for every arizonaen to walk around with a state i.d. i mean, it requires a certain level of i.d. in order to be able to walk around freely. >> bill: stops you on a traffic thing and says license and registration you are required to show it so i'm not so worried about that i do understand. >> well, you are not worried about ...

To have its own policy. >> bill: no doubt it will be challenged on that basis that federal law supersedes. >> it will. it will also be challenged on the basis this is a civil libertarian's nightmare. it's going to require -- the only way to discharge reasonable suspicion is for every arizonaen to walk around with a state i.d. i mean, it requires a certain level of i.d. in order to be able to walk around freely. >> bill: stops you on a traffic thing and says license and registration you are required to show it so i'm not so worried about that i do understand. >> well, you are not worried about ...