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You know, get unemployment assistance extended and going against many of the members of his own party in washington. for him to come out so fairly on the side of bundy here is not something that every single conservative has done. i mean in fact, a lot of national conservatives have stayed away from this. except rand paul. >> yeah indeed you're right. in fact some of the conservatives here in our own congressional delegation and state politic here's have wisely kept their mouth shut. heller has first attacked the blm. he didn't defend bundy. in this joint appearance he just made on local telev...

The interesting thing here, we don't know how this will turn out. if no new information comes out after today, i think he has a chance of putting this behind him. but i think that's a big if. but the script was, and steve can tell me if i have this right here, is after winning this major re-election victory last november chris christie well, you know, still being governor 9:00 to 5:00 some days was moving on to the national stage. he was taking over the republican governor's association, he was campaigning for candidates throughout 2014 and just really getting a larger, wider profile on the na...

You know, she called someone -- or e-mailed someone at the port authority who knew exactly what she was talking about. time to get on this traffic lee in ft. lee. he said got it. he didn't say what the heck you were talking about. and then there was a whole attempt at a cover-up, you know, with this traffic study stonewall. and chris christie, this former federal prosecutor seemed to ask no real questions about that. that, you know, that cover-up was blown out of the water inside of 12 hours. and yet, you know, chris christie wasn't saying hey, come in my office, you guys aren't telling the tr...

Today that you could cut 30 second ads onner, or certainly talking points for debates. the idea that christie says i delegate all this stuff to my staff. and then christie admitting that his judgment about who he hires is actually quite terrible. and his own judgment about when his staff that he's delegated everything to is telling him the truth or lying to him is also equally terrible. there's a lot of very bad admissions for an executive in that press conference, don't you think? >> look, there's no question that if he is a candidate for president that this will be an issue that he deals wit...

You do? >> i'm not going to speculate on that. >> joining me now is attorney ari melber and john stan deans, the chief investigative reporter for wnbc new york. there's a lot of buzz among national pundits today about, well, you know, there's no real crime here. i mean, it's just a traffic thing. in fact, you've looked into some statutes, federal statute controlling interstate highways and so forth. it seems there is possible criminal liability in this situation. >> very early to tell. a lot of federal officials who we spoke with and defense lawyers that practice in the federal bar here in new...