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This something that you have, in your churches in san antonio and beyond? >> i can't really speak to that because we have hundreds if not thousands of churches in church antonio. i will tell you that the spirit of our community at san antonio, texas, is not one in which we're going to give in to the grip of fear. we're going to live our lives and be proud of the way we live and getting to know each other and we simply can't let tragedy change who we are at texans and americans, but, you know, ironically the city council of san antonio just last week had a briefing from our emergency operation ...

Aurora you said there was zero chance congress would pass a new law. do you still say zero chance? >> no. i think that what happened in new town, connecticut, may at least lead some to finally decide to sit down and to have this conversation. i really think we may have a chance because of this terrible tragedy. that's what happened after 9/11. it can happen after new town connecticut as well. >> chris: senator durbin, thank you for joining us today, sir. >> thank you. >> the core of the debate goes to a basic constitutional provision the right to bear arms. does this tragedy change or limit th...